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On Friday, September 17 1999 at 3 p.m. WAT, a large group of avatars met in the Dreamscape Library Auditorium to discuss the creation of a Town Council. Following is the complete transcript from that meeting. | On Friday, September 17 1999 at 3 p.m. WAT, a large group of avatars met in the Dreamscape Library Auditorium to discuss the creation of a Town Council. Following is the complete transcript from that meeting. | ||
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Original article by Voodoo Cat, courtesy of the Virtual Planet newspaper.
On Friday, September 17 1999 at 3 p.m. WAT, a large group of avatars met in the Dreamscape Library Auditorium to discuss the creation of a Town Council. Following is the complete transcript from that meeting.
HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: Hi shell Sly StarDust: Hello Shell<jump> Yummy: hi shell Jewell: hi ya Shell Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: Hi shell<wave> Yummy: This is easy enough to deal with... and I would hope that the name is not as important as the function. Yummy: The Major function as I see it...would be to be able to have GROUP discussions as a COMMUNITY regarding the needs and wants of Kymer as a whole. Yummy: Right Now...as it stands, you as individuals email Managment with your comments and suggestions. Sometimes getting a result, sometimes not.. Yummy: This Group, shall we call it a Brainstorming Committee, would discuss a topic, Such as Vendo Items, Parking Problems, Newbies, Turfs, etc... and come up with suggestions as a GROUP. Yummy: This Group would then send a accumulative request to management. I can only hope that this would acheive at least two things.. Yummy: First freeing up Management from dealing with 200-300 pieces of Email requests each day and thus giving Management more time to visit with us inworld,and to resolve our needs. Yummy: Second, the discussion its self would generate community sprirt and open discussion. Yummy: How many times have you sent a request to management and NOT received a reply. Yummy: How many times have you wanted to talk with Management about a suggestion and for whatever reason, didnt. Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: often <g> Sly StarDust: <g. Spiderwoman: more than I want to Yummy: What I am proposing Now... IS NOT a form of Kymer Goverment. Yummy: It will have no Powers over the citizens in Kymer. It is mearly a way Yummy: for the people to unite, Discuss and Suggest... Yummy: as a GROUP Yummy: What I am proposing Now... IS NOT a form of Kymer Goverment. Yummy: It will have no Powers over the citizens in Kymer. It is mearly a way Yummy: I would Now like to Open the floor for discussion. ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: token cap Yummy: as you can see.. I am STRESSING.. NOT a form of government Jewell: So basically what you are saying is that instead of individuals emailing their wants and needs , they go through this "commity" Jewell: ? Yummy: and from talking with Michael.. this group IF formed.. will have an impact Evil Shell: I still don't feel that the committies you propose would be beneficial to the majority of Kymerians <system>: There are 11 ghosts. Jewell: I agree Shell Evil Shell: because it will only represent a small group Jewell: exactly lil helper: i agree Evil Shell: it will become like another GK group or some such Evil Shell: <shiver> ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: well if they wanna be here Yummy: BUT.. it will represent a group that are interested in the community ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: they will come Jewell: Unless you get every citizen in on every meeting of the commity HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: a small group is bigger than one person??? ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: if they want a grip on their own future ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: they better be a part of it ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: this is their chance Jewell: you will be speaking for those who have not had a say ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: it doesent have to be a small group lil helper: lol Spiderwoman: I think the way things are going in world...we might should try anything HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: or i should say....does one person become bigger than a group......? Evil Shell: but it will be a small group Spiderwoman: maybe something will work Spiderwoman: who knows Evil Shell: 50 people commenting individually Spiderwoman: better than just sitting and being mad and upset Jewell: We can't force people to come to a meeting for fear something will be said in their name Evil Shell: will have a greater impact than 1 avatar representing 50 Yummy: not anymore Shell Jewell: I agree Shell Evil Shell: oh, maybe not for the first couple of weeks Evil Shell: but it will die out once again Yummy: Hopefully.. IF this is formed.. our Group.. will have more impact that one individual Evil Shell: there is no denying that there is greater impact in numberse Sly StarDust: I think 50 e-mails saying no about something...would have more impact than 1 e-mail saying 50 people said no<shrug> HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: 50 people wanting the same thing.......doesn't out weigh one persons idea of the same thing..... Yummy: because of the wants of a GROUP Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: i guess if we can get a group to work on the problems we can compress informations for DS management to have these probs fixed<shrug> Jewell: whethere you intend for this to be a form of government or not, it will turn into that HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: come on.... ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: why are we having this discussion Evil Shell: come on, what? ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: if you dont wanna be part of this group Jewell: WHO will be the GROUP? ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: leave now Evil Shell: yes, Jewell, I agree Yummy: and with prior advance posting of Meeting and the subject prior posted.. more will be able to attend Evil Shell: I will not leave, BL <s> HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: a group's voice is always stronger than the single person... Evil Shell: this is to discuss whether or not a group should even be formed Yummy: Everyone who attends the meeting will be part of the group Sly StarDust: So you just a small group can decided things BL? ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: <sigh> ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: i thought we went over this Jewell: see, it has already started. If Shell and I disagree we are said to not to want to participate ...... ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: for like...4 hours lil helper: No one should be excluded from having themselves heard <shrug> ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: that day Evil Shell: not stronger than the individual voices of 50 ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: lol Yummy: thank you Michael Sly StarDust: I know Ziggy started it Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: Hi<wave><grin> Jewell: <wave>Michael Michael (World Manager): Hello! Just listening. <grin> Evil Shell: hiyas Michael Spiderwoman: Hello Big M Evil Shell: actually, I have a question for you Evil Shell: what did you mean when you mentioned a "village council" in your statement HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: but that's what the problem is now........MIcheal tries to answer 300 peoples voices and spends his time doing that and nothing else Evil Shell: last weekend? Yummy: the forming of this group... will bring those who are interested in a topic together Evil Shell: what was your intention? Sly StarDust: I am totally interested in expressing my ideas...but not like this Evil Shell: I agree, Sly Michael (World Manager): I think a community, virtual or not, should gather to Jewell: me too Sly Michael (World Manager): discuss matters and issues that affects the members of this Michael (World Manager): very community ... Sly StarDust: But we are together Michael..we are seprated from you Michael (World Manager): to exchange ideas, feelings and in order to brainstorm together. Yummy: but this is a way to bring him closer to us also Evil Shell: I think that, on the surface, is a wonderful idea HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: let me ask you.......If Michael says........."I'm not going to answer and one person request.........Then what do you do??? Michael (World Manager): It's not so much that we want or need "one contact" inworld, Michael (World Manager): it does not matter if we talk to groups or individual people. Evil Shell: then I cancel my account Evil Shell: because management doesn't care about me as a person <shrug> Jewell: Then I would leave as I would feel my presence in the community was not noticed Michael (World Manager): No, that will never happen. lil helper: That doesnt make sense..having to be in a group to have yourself heard ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: yeah if i cant do any good im gone HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: so that means......that you are for you and you alone......and the rest can just go do whatever......?? Michael (World Manager): as I said several times, the opinion of an individual is no less valueable Michael (World Manager): than the opinion of a group. Yummy: but.. the point still remains of those who dont make themselves heard.. it does not mean that do not have ideas to share Sly StarDust: right...Michael you said each indivdual still has impact..this all just sounds like people deciding things without everyone else knowledge Evil Shell: then they *need* to make themselves heard lil helper: So they have to be in a group to make themselves heard? Evil Shell: I think that a group will *misrepresent* the citizens of Kymer Yummy: why cant we support all as a group shell? Michael (World Manager): But gathering and brainstorming, and discussing new ideas before Jewell: It is already too common that a select few are the voice of the many...... HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: and as a "group" they can..... ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: yes Michael (World Manager): presenting them to us, is something that would benefit everyone. Evil Shell: yes, as a group they can, and will, misrepresent the citizens of Kymer ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: mhm mhm Jewell: And again, WHO will this group BE? Evil Shell: Michael, I would not be opposed to such brainstorming meetings Evil Shell: held by you and Delilah Michael (World Manager): why by us? Evil Shell: but not some avatar run group, which will in the end end become like the GK's Evil Shell: no offense again, Betha <G> ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: yeah a power struggle HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: oh come on shell.......you know that is not the case...... Jewell: How many citizens are in Kymer and will they all be present to have a say before the "council" presents an idea? Or do the silent become forgotten ? Yummy: why.. are the citizens to be mistrusted Evil Shell: but a clique Evil Shell: favatars Evil Shell: brownnosers ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: elite groups ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: ugh Evil Shell: elitest HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: any and all that attend Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Hello everyone <wave> Evil Shell: and not representing us all Mrsshark Chief Golden Knight: Hello everyone Yummy: We already stated... SHell.. that The NAME is incorrect ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: ello betha Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: Hi Betha<wave><grin> Jewell: hi Betha - Chief Golden Knight: I'm behaving Shell <grin> Sly StarDust: Then name it something else Evil Shell: what name is? Michael (World Manager): Shell, I think that is the actual misunderstanding: I don't Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: Hi Mrsshark<wave> Jewell: It isn't about the name Evil Shell: heheh Betha, I'm trying to <S> Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Tom <grin><grin> Sly StarDust: Brainstorming Avatars<shrug> Michael (World Manager): think the council was supposed to represent "all of you". Mrsshark Chief Golden Knight: Hi Tom Yummy: it should not be a city coucil with memebers... BUT a brainstorming COMMITTEE Michael (World Manager): just a gathering of concered avatars. Jewell: it is about giving a select few the power to speak for many ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: we will not have a council here Yummy: with all kymer citizen representing themselves in the meeting Sly StarDust: Okay...one sec...if this is going to happen Sly StarDust: then can we see the ideas Evil Shell: Let me try an example Yummy: WAITTTTTTT Evil Shell: you have a council HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: No one is saying that a council will be formed....... Duckolyte Milo: What? Sly StarDust: and the RESULTS of these meetings Evil Shell: <waiting> Jewell: shhh Let Shell speak Yummy: It was already DECided.. NO Council.. NO member.. a mere moderater.. to take notes and report Evil Shell: am I done waiting, Yummy? <G> Yummy: with a URL placed in the city to see what exactly was presented ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: who decided that? lil helper: it was ? ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: we didnt decide that lil helper: I dont remember being asked<g> ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: fer real mon Evil Shell: ok, my example Yummy: and MAYBE even a general meeting with Management to disucss the results Evil Shell: you have this group meet ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: shell do go on Yummy: AS A Group Evil Shell: to discuss the fate of, let's say Evil Shell: the ugly sign at the Magic Shop Yummy: IT NOT to discuss a FATE Jewell: heheheh Evil Shell: but, the group is comprised of mainly "bright persons" Evil Shell: not the usual inhabitants of that area Evil Shell: so they decide they like the sign Yummy: Shell.. that is soo negative.. to discuss a FATE Evil Shell: and report back to management Sly StarDust: it would be about "fate" what else are you going to discuss? ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: thank you sly Evil Shell: that the sign should stay Yummy: Why would the Inhabitants of the area not attend Shell ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: we would but we would also be outnumbered Evil Shell: yet that didn't respond to any of the needs of the people it would most affect Evil Shell: thanks, that's what I was going to say Evil Shell: we'd be outnumbered Jewell: exactly Evil Shell: and some people just don't like vampires/darksiders/togas Evil Shell: for whatever reasons, just on sight <shrug> Yummy: IF.. there was a meeting on the SIGN... WHY would they not attend to speak their minds Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Or GKs <eg> Sly StarDust: Just plain dead here<wave> Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Gotcha Shell <grin> Mrsshark Chief Golden Knight: or GK it seems<G? Evil Shell: LOL Betha <G> Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: lol Evil Shell: or, yes, just plain dead <react> Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Couldn't help it <grin> Yummy: Shell... Grace: I have just joined and so far all I can see is that you argue regarding whether there should be a council or not<shrug> Jewell: OH pulleeeezz, you can not force people to a meeting for fear they will have decisions made without them ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: yummy we would attend of course Jewell: that is wrong Evil Shell: well, that is the purpose of this meeting, as I understand it ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: but if we are outnumbered what good does it do us Yummy: then I dont see a problem Evil Shell: but that is *exactly* what will happen Michael (World Manager): Question, Shell -- why do you assume we would value proposals from a group/council more than suggestions from an individual avatar? ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: as the main inhabitants of that locale Evil Shell: I *do* see a problem Grace: thought it was to do with issues? Sly StarDust: See Michael that is our fear Yummy: Why would someone come to a meeting to JUST tear DOWN something. Yummy: that is Childish Evil Shell: perhaps I'm mostly responding to those who feel that it is just that which will happen Sly StarDust: we are afraid you will tell us to pass through the coucncil ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: yummy its an example.. Evil Shell: that a council is to be formed in order to "report" to management Evil Shell: what "we" want Yummy: and to even consider that ADULTS have that mentality.. is insulting Evil Shell: Yummy...........that is an important issue to me ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: as well as to myself Yummy: Then Im sure you would attend Jewell: It seems to me that if this time of group, council, brainstorming committee was to work, the ENTIRE community would have to approve. There are a handful here and some are opposed, therefore it has already failed. Evil Shell: and this meeting, as I understood it, was to discuss the possibility of even having a council Yummy: and all those who it was important too would attend Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: i ahve another idea<grin> Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: have Evil Shell: agreed, Jewell Evil Shell: please share <S> ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: <listening> Yummy: why would someone who has NOOO concern about the sign at all even sit though this HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: I has not failed........because you are here....... Jewell: See, Yummy by you saying that you are focing members of the community to conform with your idea and saying then they would attend......that is wrong Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: what if we set up a bulletin board with suggestions and anyone can reach and discuss? Evil Shell: because they want to influence management, they want to brownnose, they want to be an aco in the future, a favatar <shrug> HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: who is forcing???? Jewell: Good idea Betha - Chief Golden Knight: I was going to ask that Michael ? Evil Shell: I like that idea! Yummy: I never said that ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: sounds good Betha - Chief Golden Knight: How many use the feedback pages ? ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: i dooo Betha - Chief Golden Knight: A lot , Seldom ? ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: a lot Jewell: I do Betha - Chief Golden Knight: I'm curious Michael (World Manager): <don't underestimate this management, Shell <grin>> Sly StarDust: Right like just a total brainstorm thread Yummy: seldom Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: well i will offer webspace if you all want and see to get it to work ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: never get a response Jewell: when there is a serious issue at hand Evil Shell: <G> Michael, you're right HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: If the meeting is posted.....and the subjects are posted for the meeting......only the people who CARE about the subjects would attend........ Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Are the feedback pages supposed to be answered personally ?? Evil Shell: but if I have an issue to discuss with management Michael (World Manager): Okay, look - let me explain something ... Evil Shell: I go directly to the source Yummy: why.. Yummy: shell Michael (World Manager): we get about 300-500 mails a week with suggestions from Michael (World Manager): members. ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: thats what i do too Evil Shell: well, it makes the most sense <shrug> Yummy: why Michael (World Manager): many have similar ideas, yet with slight differences. Evil Shell: I don't trust someone else to relay what I have to say ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: because u get answers a little quicker Yummy: maybe I have the same opinion Evil Shell: I go to the source Michael (World Manager): if some of these people met before and worked together on their Evil Shell: so, view it ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: too Evil Shell: you have the right Michael (World Manager): ideas, and then sent their proposals, we would get HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: It would to you shell......and your one of the 300-500 emails that management recieves.... Michael (World Manager): more detailed suggestions. Yummy: why should they have to read 50 of the same thing... If you can produce on letter from 50 Michael (World Manager): If only two people come together to discuss and ponder ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: sublte differences ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: can make all the difference yummy Michael (World Manager): a proposal before sending it, the quality of this proposal will ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: subtle too Michael (World Manager): be "better". Sly StarDust: Okay, then it should NOT be called a city council Evil Shell: I agree with that, Michael Evil Shell: but I don't think it should be so formal Evil Shell: perhaps Yummy: CORRECT.. NOT.. city council ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: right Evil Shell: if I have an idea Yummy: and that is what I said in starting the meeting Evil Shell: I start talking about it IW Evil Shell: and gather those who are interested HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: If Micheal.....Doesn't have to spend half of his day going through all of the mail......then he has the time to take care of other things in Kymer Evil Shell: and discuss Jewell: yes Michael, but a GROUP has no business speaking for this community Sly StarDust: <your macro said city council> Evil Shell: but not anything official Evil Shell: yes Yummy: if does if the Group wants it too Evil Shell: and don't forget, 79% of the respondents to the survey said NO Michael (World Manager): A group, of two people or one hundred, is part of this community and Yummy: No..that is not true Michael (World Manager): they have the right speak for themselves. Evil Shell: what does if the group wants it to?????? Yummy: I had 3 people VOTE 63 times Michael (World Manager): No one can speak for everyone - obviously. Evil Shell: hey Michael......what can we do about that sign? <G> Yummy: that is why I took the poll out Jewell: Ok- so I say I begin a group that says I want NO more prize heads ever, do I get to speak for everyone because I want to? ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: <g> Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: lol Michael (World Manager): Try sending a cheque, Shell. <grin> Evil Shell: how many tokens? <G> Betha - Chief Golden Knight: LMAOFFF <G> Yummy: what is the group that you are speaking for.. names... and send a proposal Sly StarDust: lol Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: roflmao ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: so basically we have no choice on the sign thing eh? Yummy: sure you do Evil Shell: ok Yummy: everyone has a choice Evil Shell: the vamps, darksiders, et.a. ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: magic shop sign ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: the tacky one Sly StarDust: Sign at magic SHOP Evil Shell: et.al. Jewell: If you start a group you need to have a disclaimer that the GROUP does not represent the all the citizens of Kymer but it speaks for a select few Evil Shell: don't like the "Magic *Den*" sign Evil Shell: and would like to see it down ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: well it was originally magic den... Evil Shell: our committee has spoken <G> Michael (World Manager): Will think about the sign. Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: I agree Shell<grin> ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: but the sign is still ugly Evil Shell: yes, but only on the original maps Evil Shell: thanks Michael <bow> Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: <jump> ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: exactly lil helper: yep sign sux Jewell: And Michael, decisions or suggestions by this group should not be put into place if it affects the whole community Michael (World Manager): Let's focus on the meeting's topic, please. <grin> Yummy: the proposals sent to management would have the names of the avatars that attended that meeting ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: its always been referred to as magic SHOP Jewell: I don't like the sign either Sly StarDust: Okay, will your "discussions" be easily reachable...incase you are discussing a fate I feel strongly about? Yummy: yes ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: yeah that would be good Evil Shell: I'm worried about power Sly StarDust: I don;t want to miss you talking about fixing the turfs up! Jewell: me too Shell Yummy: a url will be posted PRIOR to the meeting Michael (World Manager): I have a comment regarding the foum/board, etc. Sly StarDust: Yes I am afraid of power to Shell Michael (World Manager): from a community development perspective, I think it would be Michael (World Manager): better to discuss issues inworld. Michael (World Manager): Let's face it, most of the time the boards and lists are Michael (World Manager): more entertaining and more interesting than the Michael (World Manager): discussions and conversations inworld. Evil Shell: yes Evil Shell: and for the mailing list, see my URL <vbg> Sly StarDust: cause they are ll in NRW <system>: There are 9 ghosts. Michael (World Manager): we will lower the price for DS. Michael (World Manager): do not ask for details yet! Evil Shell: *great* ! <jump><jump> Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: woohoooooo<jump> ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: <jump> lil helper: So couldnt u post something on the board saying I would like to gather some people to talk about this idea i have Yummy: I really do think this can work... Michael (World Manager): we will release details next week. Evil Shell: what about marketing? Spiderwoman: wohooo<grin><grin><grin> Yummy: IF Evil Shell: yes, you could do that...post to say you want to discuss an idea HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: and perhaps unless we start pulling together as a community..........we all will be in NRW or nowhere..... lil helper: it doesnt have to be just this one group thing Evil Shell: and don't forget to post to the list, as well Yummy: yes Yummy: most definate Evil Shell: but that's putting it back into our laps again Evil Shell: <sigh> Grace: If you want to make a profit then you need to cut price, allow sponsership and advertise like he** Michael (World Manager): well, it helps if you have someome who sets up meetings, Michael (World Manager): so that more than six people come together. Evil Shell: sponsorship <grimace> Michael (World Manager): more people means more input. Grace: yes, if it is necessary Evil Shell: yes, I agree Yummy: I am willing to set up meetings... Evil Shell: more people Grace: at the end of the day, this place has to make money Evil Shell: that's it Yummy Grace: otherwise it goes Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: good idea Mischael but who will do da job? <grin> Evil Shell: I don't think it should be regularly scheduled meetings Evil Shell: by the same old people Yummy: or.. Shell..or anyone that wants too Evil Shell: I think it should be nearly ad hoc meetings lil helper: ok this is starting to sound good Yummy: ad hoc? Yummy: changing of moderators Evil Shell: no Evil Shell: more or less, on the fly Evil Shell: no moderators Evil Shell: just someone to save text Sly StarDust: Or discuss a subject through out the week so many people can come Evil Shell: and perhaps summarize Yummy: who set up the url for the meeting and the results that you want to see posted Evil Shell: but that's scheduling subjects again ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: maybe post text on onelist... too.. HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: that Shell.....is the basic idea.... Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: hmm whats about an event 2 or 3 times a week to put all the meanings together ? Evil Shell: but it is getting mixed in with government Sly StarDust: right...it tis Evil Shell: roberts rules of order Evil Shell: etc. Jewell: This is a governmental step and it will continue in that direction Sly StarDust: Oh and Time Zones Yummy: Shell... a moderator does not have to do that Evil Shell: but in the end Evil Shell: it will Sly StarDust: por euros<sigh> Sly StarDust: poor even Grace: Well personally, I think a council for WA is not right.. Councils for different groups, yes. Evil Shell: human nature is to do just that Yummy: is that the way you run onelist shell Yummy: on a government basis Michael (World Manager): <g> Evil Shell: absolutely not Yummy: then why would this be any different Evil Shell: there has been one instance where someone had to be stopped Jewell: No council is right in a community -- none of us can attend all the time.... for instance... where are the Euro Avis now? Evil Shell: and that was a very different situation, due to language used ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: sleeping Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: here<grin> Yummy: there are times ive seen you need to be stopped too Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: hehe Evil Shell: yeah, it is after midnite there Evil Shell: and I've stopped myself Yummy: BUT.. opinion is opinion Evil Shell: and apologized to those involved, haven't I? Jewell: exactly, so the Euro community has no say? Evil Shell: Michael and Tom and one or two others Evil Shell: are the only euros here, that I'm aware of Betha - Chief Golden Knight: There is another meeting at 10 p.m. WAT no ? Yummy: no.. meeting will be set to accomodate the euorpeans as well HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: No there is a 10p.m. wat meeting tonite yet..... Grace: with that sort of bickering, then that is another reason why you don't have a council Evil Shell: let's not forget, the euros are a part of what makes this place so damn special Michael (World Manager): I think the danger is that we get lost in details. ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: mhm Evil Shell: yes, 10pm which is 7am in europe Michael (World Manager): now we have time zones.. Jewell: OK and that is 1am here, Grace: exactly Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: i agree Micha Michael (World Manager): next thing we will argue about is Michael (World Manager): age... Yummy: and sex Evil Shell: LOL Jewell: heheheh Evil Shell: ok ok Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: lol HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: that's why there were two meeting set up...... Michael (World Manager): sex sounds good. Yummy: ok.. who likes sex.. and who dont Sly StarDust: more sex<jump> Evil Shell: yeah, the aussies Sha <G> Grace: yep it does<jump> Evil Shell: sex <jump> Sly StarDust: oops Yummy: hahahah Grace: <react><react> Sly StarDust: <react> HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: what's that??? Yummy: ok.. back to the issue Evil Shell: <been too long since I've seen Grip> <vbg> Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: and at least what about nude patch?????????? <veg> Grace: you askin Michael? Michael (World Manager): dunno, it's been a week from hell. <grin> Sly StarDust: aww shell lol Grace: lol Yummy: iam sorry about the times... Michael (World Manager): well, have to defend Yummy here .., Michael (World Manager): there are no times that work for everyone. Evil Shell: agreed Yummy: I did not know the times in europe and that was my fault.. and took it from anouther Michael (World Manager): either its too early for Americans and Australians, Michael (World Manager): or too late for Euros. Jewell: I can not agree withh any group that has decided to speak for the community. No one speaks for me whether I am at a meeting or not and it is not fair to FORCE people to come to a meeting to be heard for fear of the decisions that may be made Evil Shell: time zones are a PITA, no question about it Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: i guess time shouldn`t eb problem Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: be Evil Shell: I agree Jewell Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Nobody was forced Jewell <shrug> Betha - Chief Golden Knight: I wasn't Yummy: and Jewll that is your choice HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: maybe......Michael could answer when would be good times to catch both sides of the world....?? Betha - Chief Golden Knight: I'm here to listen Michael (World Manager): But did we (management) ever say we will not listen to individual avatars? Evil Shell: ok, I think this is something that can be taken at a different time Mrsshark Chief Golden Knight: i wasn't either <shrug> I am just here every day <shrug> and want to see Kymer survive<shrug> Evil Shell: I think what we are most afraid of, Michael Evil Shell: is that those who participate in this committee Evil Shell: will overshadow the other avvys Sly StarDust: right... Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: great idea now <g> Michael (World Manager): well, as long as I don't give you the "send your feedback to dream@avaterra.com" line, I think you are safe. Evil Shell: that the avvys who don't agree will feel like they will be spitting in the wind Yummy: depends on how many attend the meeting I would think Sly StarDust: God...BE<frown> Evil Shell: if they oppose something the "council" wants Mrsshark Chief Golden Knight: Shell it works both ways Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: committee just does submit to world managers and they have to decide <g> Evil Shell: and they will give up Evil Shell: and perhaps quietly leave Michael (World Manager): <I read dream@avaterra.com, btw!> Evil Shell: LOL Michael Jewell: exactly, depends on how many attend Evil Shell: take care <bow> Mrsshark Chief Golden Knight: what about avies you only see on event weekends and meetings like this one<shrug> Yummy: IF... 300 attend the meeting and say the sign is good.. and you say alone the sign is bad.. what weighs more in your mind Mrsshark Chief Golden Knight: should they have a say for others <shrug> Evil Shell: it would depend who was at the meeting <S> Michael (World Manager): well, many small meetings with 10-25 people are better than Yummy: Yes it would Michael (World Manager): one meeting with 300 folks. Evil Shell: LOL at least more manageable <G> Michael (World Manager): you have seen the town meetings - we are barely able to answer Michael (World Manager): 10% of the questions. Sly StarDust: And that is what we are afraid of too Yummy Betha - Chief Golden Knight: May I ask a question Yummy ? Yummy: I guess I dont understand why.. IF you have the same availbiltiy as others to come to a meeting Betha - Chief Golden Knight: What is this committee , council whateve it's called .... Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Supposed to do ? Betha - Chief Golden Knight: All ideas ? Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Vendo items ? Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Signs at the magic shop ??<eg> Evil Shell: perhaps some of us don't like the idea of government Yummy: Gather information.. and send requests to management Betha - Chief Golden Knight: I'm confused at the specifics Evil Shell: and in a way that *is* government Jewell: no we don't Betha - Chief Golden Knight: What information Yummy ? Jewell: government here is bad Yummy: this IS not a a government Evil Shell: but, in the end, it would be Michael (World Manager): It's a dictatorship, haven't you noticed yet? <EG> Evil Shell: LOL Michael Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: lol Mrsshark Chief Golden Knight: LOL Michael HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: LOL Sly StarDust: <react> Evil Shell: we know you rule with an iron paw <G> Yummy: LOL Evil Shell: now where do I send that check to? <G> Grace: well Yummy, gathering that information could end up being one sided and not a true representation Yummy: i have heard that enough over the last 3 days Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: lol Michael (World Manager): Ok, seriously, why is the name of this "project" so important? Evil Shell: that is my point, one sided Sly StarDust: Right whoever said that HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: let me ask you Shell......"Who would be the goverment"?? Evil Shell: those who perceive themselves to be in power Jewell: Well to be honest I would welcome a dictatorship more than I would a "group" trying to speak for me Jewell: hehehe Evil Shell: yes, I hate to agree to that concept Evil Shell: but I do Yummy: who is in power in agroup with only a moderator to take notes Evil Shell: this is a business Mrsshark Chief Golden Knight: hi trev Evil Shell: Michael and Delilah both *work* for Avaterra ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: we dont want to be perceieved as a government name is important Sly StarDust: as long as it stays that way Grace: what do you mean by name Michael? Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: what if Michael calls 3 or 4 acolytes who have the job to collect suggestions? Evil Shell: it is their job to make this a great place Michael (World Manager): No. Evil Shell: oh no.......... Evil Shell: no no no Michael (World Manager): I don't want any filters. ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: heyy... we could call it community project... Evil Shell: please <G> Jewell: And we know where they are coming from ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: just leave it at that Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: not as filters Evil Shell: a rose by any other name is still a rose <shrug> Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: to compress infos only Grace: Michael, what would the WA like to see?? Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Projects are usually temporary <G> Yummy: correct.. and that is why in the BEGINNING of this meeting I stated.. that we call it a Brainstorming Commitee Michael (World Manager): I will always be available for direct communication, BUT Grace: I think that is just as important Michael (World Manager): I still think that proposals are of higher quality if Michael (World Manager): they have been discussed by more than one person before Michael (World Manager): they are submitted. Evil Shell: yanno, many of us do discuss our ideas Yummy: CORRECT <clap clap clap> Jewell: So we don't need a committee then Evil Shell: with others before they are presented to management Evil Shell: I know I do Sly StarDust: I know I discuss my a$$ off here Betha - Chief Golden Knight: LOL Sly Sly StarDust: <react> Jewell: we can as ourselves get with friends and discuss and send ideas Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: lol Betha - Chief Golden Knight: I do too but <G> Yummy: you have never discusses anything with me Shell Jewell: no need for a commity Evil Shell: I even call people to discuss ideas <shrug> Grace: Michael, what would the WA team like to see happen to further dreamscape? Jewell: right Evil Shell: who said that? I don't discuss with them? Yummy: my phone is 913 262 6750 Sly StarDust: yummy Evil Shell: ahhhhhhh Jewell: OMG Yummy: hahahah Evil Shell: I have discussed with you LOL Michael (World Manager): Friends tend to have a similar opinion, Yummy: well this Evil Shell: what do you call the other day? <vbg> Michael (World Manager): which is why they are friends. Evil Shell: not necessarily, Michael <react> Jewell: NO - not always Michael (World Manager): Not always, no. Michael (World Manager): Not necessarily. Michael (World Manager): But often times. Evil Shell: I have friends from many different walks of virtual and real life Sly StarDust: I like discussing with people who have other opinions..makes it fun<react> Jewell: Abbi and I are bestest buds and boy do we differ in opinions Evil Shell: with varied opinions on things Yummy: Most of the time.. they have similar opinions .. that is why they like each other Evil Shell: yes, differing opinions make it fun Evil Shell: and you learn from opinions other than your own Sly StarDust: yes Evil Shell: but having a group decide ........ Michael (World Manager): That is the idea of the council. Evil Shell: I just don't agree Michael (World Manager): decide? Yummy: Good Point... and your opinions and everyone elses Evil Shell: decide on what to present, how to present it, and what is "right" Yummy: we dont decide... management does Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Not a group Shell .... a mixed meeting of people as I see it Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Why not just hold open air discussions like this one , once a month ? Betha - Chief Golden Knight: why set it as a committee ? ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: yeah but she means the group would decide what to tell the management about Sly StarDust: Okay...how many think the turf areas need a face lift <G><wave> Evil Shell: YES ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: meee HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: yes ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: need some paint mon! Evil Shell: oops, sorry to yell <s> Sly StarDust: <G> ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: anyone disagree? Evil Shell: tan and brown are fugly Jewell: Michael let me ask you this.................... Grace: that is why I am asking what the management would like to see for the future benefit of here Yummy: now...how is that hard to mis represent Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Needs paint <G> Sly StarDust: marble floors! ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: maybe wallpaper Evil Shell: LOL but that is *easy* Evil Shell: most issues are *not* that easy Sly StarDust: I know...tryin to lighten the mood Jewell: If I and some aquaintances here had an opinion on something and sent it to you Jewell: and the "commity" sent you an opinion on another subject <system>: There are 13 ghosts. Grace: at the end of the day it is their decision that is final. <system>: Trevayne Chief Golden Knight, Marjolein, Grace, Betha - Chief Golden Knight, Mrsshark Chief Golden Knight, Michael (World Manager), ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc, Evil Shell, lil helper, Jewell, Sly StarDust, Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger, Spiderwoman, HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight, Yummy, and 13 ghosts. Jewell: would you push my opion aside to look at the commity? Sly StarDust: he is sleeping Yummy: he is typing Grace: he is pondering Yummy: hehehe Evil Shell: he's prolly being esp bombed <react> Jewell: yeah ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: hes taking a dump Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: hes ignoring <veg> Sly StarDust: lol Yummy: Please DONT esp him Evil Shell: <snicker> Jewell: or my typos confused him Sly StarDust: lol Michael (World Manager): No, I'm here. Evil Shell: he's rolling in catnip Sly StarDust: I read typonese Jewell: first time I have been out of bed in three days Jewell: heheheh ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: catnip rofl Ðarksider Tom T. Tiger: wow hes living <g> Sly StarDust: lol Yummy: he is quiet.. but he hears ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: hes watching us clown around lol Yummy: big monitor for LOTS of scrolling ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: thinking how monkey like we are when we are in playful moods Michael (World Manager): Okay ... Michael (World Manager): well ... Sly StarDust: lol Michael (World Manager): The difficult part of my job is to Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: could be he gets esp from the ghosties <shrug> Michael (World Manager): try to consider as many opinions and needs as Yummy: ghosties... please come down Michael (World Manager): possible. Plus the needs and wants of the community. Grace: which is every commendable of you. Michael (World Manager): so, I do appreciate different opinions .... but those that Michael (World Manager): are detailed and already address potential backdraws and Sly StarDust: this is the first time I think a Manager ever showed interest in our ideas<shrug> Spiderwoman: yes..but it also should be a positve decision for the community Michael..not just for a few of avies Michael (World Manager): flipsides, and provide suggestions how to deal with those disadvantages, Michael (World Manager): are making our job easier. Yummy: that is what the committee would have to address to submitt to management Yummy: ooopss poof Yummy: ? Sly StarDust: yeah Jewell ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: eep Grace: so what are you suggesting then Michael, for that statement? Grace: from even Spiderwoman: maybe instead of working on many issues at onces..maybe a good option would be adressing a few problems Sly StarDust: All I know is I am bursting with ideas...I oftern bring them to the forum...and I e-mail em to Michael....<shrug> Spiderwoman: and work on them first HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: You have to remember folks.......the easier we can make Michaels job.....the more time he can spend making Kymer more fun for us...... Yummy: correct.. a topic or TWO max would be poosted for disucssion with times for meeting Evil Shell: <sigh> Grace: what would you and your team like to see that would help even more? Michael (World Manager): as I said earlier, I think a committee/council/gathering/<fill-in-your-favourite-name-that-doesn't-offend-you> would improve the ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: say thank you to the nice people<react> Michael (World Manager): proposals and suggestions from that particular Michael (World Manager): group of people. Evil Shell: my opposition is to an *organized* set of meetings Evil Shell: leaders, moderaters, whatevers Jewell: Its too much like a government Dutchess Mary J: yeah<shrug> Jewell: We dont' need tha there Jewell: here Evil Shell: it sits on the line of government Evil Shell: even in the beginning Yummy: its not like government at all Evil Shell: with time, the "leaders" would attempt to gain power Evil Shell: and power corrupts <shrug> Yummy: if it were... we would not need your opinion Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: they way I see it the "committee" would just be the voice of the community <shrug> Yummy: What leaders HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: Shell.......you keep saying Leaders........who's the leaders????? Evil Shell: in the beginning, it would be the voice of whomever attended Evil Shell: whomever designates themselves as leaders Jewell: You are going to have this "council" without leaders? Sly StarDust: It would start to get organized..and who decides what gets talked about? Yummy: who is the leader onelist? Yummy: oops in onelist Evil Shell: we are *all* "leaders" on onelist Yummy: ahhh... the same here Evil Shell: I happen to be a moderator Evil Shell: but I don't enjoy that job Grace: if you had a council, it would have to be very well organised Yummy: ahhh.... and one will happed to save text Evil Shell: and that is *not* the same as a council Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: so then you are a leader <shrug> Grace: you would need to have a committee Yummy: and put into URL form Grace: minutes of meeting Evil Shell: fine, call me a leader Grace: etc etc etc Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: all symantecs <shrug> Evil Shell: but the onelist is a list for avatars to discuss avatar/real life Evil Shell: it is *not* at *all* a forum for us to go and get together Evil Shell: present ideas to management Evil Shell: and make decisions Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: and the council would be to discuss kymer <bow> Evil Shell: it is an open list Yummy: we are NOT discussing a city council.... we already decided that the NAME is what offends and the actions they perform in RW Evil Shell: no, the concept itself offends Jewell: NO its not just the name Evil Shell: not just the name Yummy: I said and the actions they perform Jewell: its that the "group" would have a voice that would affect all of Kymer HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: hummmmm there's an echo in here...... Jewell: THAT is what is offensive Yummy: what we are proposing is no more than a brainstorming Betha - Chief Golden Knight: So what do we do Jewel ? HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: and ALL of Kymer can speak at any time........ Grace: Yummy, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what it is called... it will still basically be the same thing. Evil Shell: yes Yummy: i dont think it will be Evil Shell: it will be the henchmen reporting to the dictator <vbg> Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: seems to me all that wanted to have a voice would and could.......is up to the avatars if they want to attend............no? Evil Shell: no Grace: names etc are not important issueat this point Yummy: how...where the people who attend it .. do NOT make the decision Evil Shell: let's say I could never attend a meeting Evil Shell: due to a RW schedule Evil Shell: my voice would *never* be heard Jewell: First of all we do not "threaten" anyone that if they do not attend the meeting that the 'group' will proceed without hearing from EVERY voice in Kymer Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: then ask someone to present your views ? Yummy: all the people are doing is getting together and discussing a common subject Jewell: Michael, how many citizens do we have? Yummy: neither did I ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: good question Evil Shell: I don't trust anyone to present my views for me Michael (World Manager): Shell, you can apply this statement to most everything Evil Shell: they are mine, not anyone else's Spiderwoman: yes, Michael how many members do we have in DS Michael (World Manager): inworld. Jewell: Me either shell Michael (World Manager): If you work on weekends, you can never attend Jewell: Yes Inworld or over all Michael (World Manager): weekend events. Evil Shell: yes, true Jewell: How many citizens are in Kymer? Evil Shell: but the game events don't impact the world Spiderwoman: on week end we have a lot of alts in world Evil Shell: like a committee/council/whatever meeting Yummy: they sure do... Spiderwoman: doing games Spiderwoman: on event days Yummy: have you seen our economy lately Yummy: heheheh Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Yes we do Spider woman Spiderwoman: so we cannot consider Evil Shell: what's funny about our economy? Michael (World Manager): But you don't want 300 people at the gatherings. Sly StarDust: events have nothing to do with tokens... Michael (World Manager): more than 20 and it gets chaotic. Spiderwoman: the numbers real numbers we see in status Jewell: YES Evil Shell: yes, look at this Jewell: Why not Jewell: ? Yummy: your comment is funny.. not our economy Evil Shell: nearly impossible to follow <s> Grace: I understand what you are getting at Michael and why you feel it should be tailored Evil Shell: ah, ok Michael (World Manager): How about frequent "Community Hours" ... Michael (World Manager): three a week ... Evil Shell: hmmmmmmm Evil Shell: <interested> Michael (World Manager): where avatars come together to discuss issues, Michael (World Manager): if they want to. Yummy: tailoring to 20 per meeting also means more meeting... more chances for everyone to attend the meeting of their choice Jewell: No one should claim they are going to be the voice of the people Grace: Do you and your team have time for that? Michael (World Manager): do you need us? Spiderwoman: I believe any kind of meetings in any form to express how we feel about DS would help Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: I agree Grace: personally, I think not Spiderwoman: why not?? Yummy: Im not saying I will be the VOICE of the community... the people that attend the meetings are the voices of themselves in a group Grace: the more meetings you have the more people will give suggestions etc Evil Shell: I have to say Evil Shell: I like Michael's idea Evil Shell: it could work Grace: because I don't think a lot of the issues that are raised are THAT important Jewell: We need you, Michael to support those of use who disagree with this "group". Those of us who do not wish to be spoken for by anyone Spiderwoman: yes ..and sooner or later we will find out what is important to avies Evil Shell: have a locale designated for such discussions Evil Shell: with certain hours Evil Shell: anyone can drop in Evil Shell: bring up whatever they want Evil Shell: no leaders Grace: and there is no point in asking someone to give time that they can ill afford Evil Shell: no rules Evil Shell: no organizers HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: who is speaking for you???? your here now aren't you? Spiderwoman: we all think first what is important to US..but with the community we should think WE Evil Shell: who is speaking for us? Yummy: and how does management get the results of this meeting Jewell: To try to stop your group from becoming the "voice" of the people Evil Shell: think of this Spiderwoman: as a hole Evil Shell: if Michael wasn't here Evil Shell: who would report back to him? and what would you report? Evil Shell: that the whole idea was trashed, accepted, what?? Michael (World Manager): These Community Hours would be about the community... Evil Shell: another ideas for these "open hours" would be to have reps from the newspapers Michael (World Manager): for you, from you. Yummy: No one ever said it would be the voice of the people Evil Shell: come and cover the meetings Michael (World Manager): it's not for the mnagement ... HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: the group would decide who would report the concerns to Michael.... Michael (World Manager): someone can send me a transcript if the Michael (World Manager): avatars present think I should read it. Yummy: no.. cant do that... they might misrepresent it Michael (World Manager): I don't "have" to read or see it .. Grace: It's something you could try if you were keen and see how it progressed Evil Shell: ok Evil Shell: so how about this Michael (World Manager): I want you to talk, to brainstorm ... I want the community to grow up. Evil Shell: Michael's idea Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: can it hurt to try this? <shrug> Grace: see if it was a viable proposition<shrug> Evil Shell: in fact........Michael Michael (World Manager): None of this requires management's help. Evil Shell: you were looking for a use for Regency Evil Shell: make it into a meeting area Evil Shell: maybe a couple of rooms like this Evil Shell: large avatar numbers on the floor Michael (World Manager): <cringe> I don't get the resources for even more locales, Michael (World Manager): let's use what we already have. Evil Shell: and *informal* meetings Michael (World Manager): for now. Evil Shell: hmmmmmmm Evil Shell: ok Evil Shell: well, it is something to keep in mind for the future <G> Michael (World Manager): No one uses the library... Grace: does it matter where it is held? ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: we use the library.. Yummy: we are using it right now Spiderwoman: well CC has a few rooms Michael (World Manager): and I like the walls in here <g> Spiderwoman: empty 99% of the time Evil Shell: bah Grace: and one can sit down and rest LOL Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: should be a public locale I assume <shrug> ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: bleh Evil Shell: don't like the ad <G> Evil Shell: but this is a good locale Michael (World Manager): CC as in community center? Grace: althought I think maybe cushions should be supplied Spiderwoman: yes as in Comm. Center Evil Shell: yeah, my butt is numb <react> Michael (World Manager): community center is, um, I feel trapped in there. Sly StarDust: 20 down is nice ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: i think we should have a room that holds more avvies for meetings like this... ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: but thas meh Grace: well, lets start small and see how it goes ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: good idea Grace: if it succeeds then we grow Grace: <shrug> ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: i agree Evil Shell: yes, but no leaders Michael (World Manager): yes, let's use what we have, and go from there/ Betha - Chief Golden Knight: I think it should be possibly outside too so those passing could stop and watch if they wanted <shrug> Evil Shell: no facilitators Grace: yep Evil Shell: yes Sly StarDust: exactly Shell Evil Shell: Michael Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Why in a room ? HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: I agree.....we have to take small steps......this was just the first one...... Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: good point .......outside Evil Shell: how difficult is it to enlarge the number down in a locale? Spiderwoman: yes even better I dea outside Michael (World Manager): The advantage of this room here is that it has chairs .. in an Evil Shell: and it should be a *traveled* locale Michael (World Manager): order that allows everyone to speak without Michael (World Manager): covering someone else.. Spiderwoman: more folks can listen and participate Grace: true Evil Shell: more will stumble on Evil Shell: if in public tho ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: true Grace: but numb bums are on the agendy Grace: agenda Grace: even Evil Shell: LOL Michael (World Manager): we can do a broadcast ... <shrug> ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: thats how i end up in most conversations<react> Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: possible to glue a bunch of chairs in the park maybe? Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Give us an outside arena <grin> add some benches around the fountain ??<eg> Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: or rock seats? Michael (World Manager): so much for "let's use what we have" <g> Evil Shell: LOL ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: lol Sly StarDust: lol ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: well lil helper: LOL Betha - Chief Golden Knight: <grin> Evil Shell: but these are minor changes, no? Sly StarDust: never Michael Michael (World Manager): do you really want 50 people? ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: we trying to be resourceful here Evil Shell: and at least we are kind of agreeing <G> Evil Shell: I don't Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: outside is a good idea though Grace: If you were to have regular meetings, would you like to see them on the same days and same times, Michael? ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: yeah outside Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: 50 is a bit much though Evil Shell: I think the locale should just be renamed Evil Shell: to "Speakers Corner" or something Yummy: this isnt for Michael.. its supposed to be for us Evil Shell: like that location in London Evil Shell: and have a 10 avvy down Evil Shell: perhaps some benches or chairs Evil Shell: where you can go by Evil Shell: see a conversation and join in Evil Shell: or watch Sly StarDust: yeah Evil Shell: or stand there until someone else joins you Evil Shell: and try to talk ** At this point Michael creates a locale as discussed, called Speaker's Corner** Betha - Chief Golden Knight: WHOA Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: morpheus statue area holds 8 or 10 I believe Dutchess Mary J: ack Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: wooooooooo hooooooo Sly StarDust: cool Evil Shell: ask and ye shall receive <G> Betha - Chief Golden Knight: <react><react> Grace: lol Mrsshark Chief Golden Knight: hehe Sly StarDust: <jump> Dutchess Mary J: that was very odd Grace: thought I had transported for a moment Evil Shell: now if the sign could only change so quick <vbg> Grace: or maybe it is just the drink Grace: <react><react> Yummy: I still think this is a good place to meet and gives lots of people a way to come down Evil Shell: it is the drink <react> HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: kewl.......and we have room for 18 seated......right here..... Grace: hehehe Evil Shell: only issue is the lack of passers by Sly StarDust: yeah Michael (World Manager): I think tht is an advantage. Grace: well, we could all carry a seat out with us Evil Shell: noone ever comes in here Dutchess Mary J: Well.........word of mouth works wonders at times<shrug> Michael (World Manager): you want people who care enough to Michael (World Manager): come to the community hours.. Michael (World Manager): not static noise Evil Shell: ok HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: Then.....let your alts.......stand outside and advertise your in here.......... Mrsshark Chief Golden Knight: I agree <grin> Evil Shell: then how about an outside locale Evil Shell: like an "auxillary speakers corner" Evil Shell: to spur conversation Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: baby steps one step at a time eh? Evil Shell: when people aren't in here? Evil Shell: you could make it the locale one left of the VMart Evil Shell: does anyone else think that is a good idea?? Michael (World Manager): I like this locale here <g> Sly StarDust: I do Betha - Chief Golden Knight: <grin> Grace: and would you have the community hours on the same day and time etc, so that people could relate to that? Evil Shell: ok Evil Shell: then if people want discussion, it is up to them to start it on the street <G> Michael (World Manager): we can always move the location later. Evil Shell: no rules Evil Shell: no leaders Dutchess Mary J: I agree...........if people truly care they will make the time to be here if at all possible Evil Shell: and we don't even have to report to management <react><react> Grace: yes, why not, at the end of the day it is not the locale you are discussing but other more important matters Michael (World Manager): I just would like to see how it goes before we HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: it works better if meetings are held at the same times and same places...... Michael (World Manager): provide additional support. Evil Shell: btw, I do like the broadcasts to announce things going on Grace: I think that is very wise Michael Grace: tread slowly Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: broadcast is a great idea Grace: I'm sure everyone else feels that too. Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: everyone will know Evil Shell: yes Michael (World Manager): broadcast for the first few times only .. Betha - Chief Golden Knight: What if 100 show up , how will the ghosts be moderated , Yummy ? Michael (World Manager): as I said, you want people that have something to Evil Shell: then in the future, can be done as necessary HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: a world broadcast should be used......It affects all who live here...... Michael (World Manager): say, not those who get good feelings when they see a Michael (World Manager): robed figure. Grace: if you have it on regular days and times then people will remember! Evil Shell: or bad feelings, Michael <G> Sly StarDust: <react> Michael (World Manager): I'll probably attend some of these meetings as Michael (World Manager): regular avatar. Michael (World Manager): No robe. No title. Grace: incognito?? ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: u'll have to be reeeally sneaky Grace: <react><react> Michael (World Manager): No. Betha - Chief Golden Knight: <react> Michael (World Manager): Plain old "Michael". Grace: just teasing ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: we kymerians catch on quick Grace: I know ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: then u bombarded with esps of Michael (World Manager): Gee, thought someone finally figured out that Shell is my alt. ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: " arent you....??" Michael (World Manager): <g> Spiderwoman: lol Dutchess Mary J: lol Evil Shell: ROFL <react><react> lil helper: LOL Betha - Chief Golden Knight: ROFL !! Grace: hehehe Sly StarDust: lol HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: lol Beanie Queen Golden Knight: lol ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: thats a scary thought Mrsshark Chief Golden Knight: hehe Evil Shell: ya let the cat out of the bag, Michael!! Dutchess Mary J: lol Spiderwoman: yep you both sound alike<v bg> ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: i sure hope not Evil Shell: ya, but his german is much better than mine <G> ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: i tell shell my most inner secrets <sinking into chair> Dutchess Mary J: lol Evil Shell: heheheh BL Spiderwoman: lets hope so shell HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: while Michael is here should WE decide when the next meeting will take place...so he can announce it?? Betha - Chief Golden Knight: We can suggest , but the other meeting is at 10 ?? Michael (World Manager): how many community hours per week? Michael (World Manager): two? Michael (World Manager): one early, one late? Evil Shell: yes Grace: yes, good idea Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: sounds good Evil Shell: one for US, one for euros HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: to start with.......i agree.... Spiderwoman: yep and see how that goes Evil Shell: when is the best time for Euros, Michael? Spiderwoman: we always can chage to improve Evil Shell: you decide that one <G> Michael (World Manager): Perhaps this locale will become a spot for community related conversations over time. Michael (World Manager): hmm... noon WAT, I guess. Evil Shell: that would be a good thing Evil Shell: 6pm Evil Shell: ya Evil Shell: 9 oops Grace: How long to you think you would like to give this trial, or do you prefer to see how it goes first? Michael (World Manager): 1pm is better for the UK Michael (World Manager): but that is 10pm in central europe.. Evil Shell: personally, I think play it by ear for now Evil Shell: well, 12:30? Evil Shell: wat Michael (World Manager): lol Grace: Yes, I agree to that coming from UK Michael (World Manager): deal. Grace: okay 12.30 Evil Shell: and 5 WAT for the other? Michael (World Manager): Fridays? Evil Shell: how would that work for the aussies?? ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: hate to say this but my sinus infection is draining me of energy getting dizzy and spacey here so im gonna take a nap now... ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: hugzzz all around Evil Shell: huggggggggggggggggs BL ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: <wave> Evil Shell: feel better, hon Mrsshark Chief Golden Knight: cya bl Grace: yep, if that suits your team? Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Night Dutchess Mary J: hugggggggggs HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: <wave> ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: thanx=) Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: take care <wave> Sly StarDust: hugggss Beanie Queen Golden Knight: hugggsssssss ßlack £ace - Goddess of Havoc: take care alls Dutchess Mary J: you too Sly StarDust: you too Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: <bow> Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Our team Grace if we're involved Evil Shell: there should be no team <G> Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Well gathering <G> Grace: think it takes all teams really Evil Shell: it should just be whomever cares enough to show up Grace: but... I think it is more important that management are there Evil Shell: no teams, no us vs. them Grace: otherwise there is no point in having meeting LOL Michael (World Manager): I disgree <grin> Michael (World Manager): disagree. Dutchess Mary J: I agree Shell Evil Shell: agreed, m Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Ideas are presented Grace Evil Shell: you said, this is for us Evil Shell: not for you Michael (World Manager): right. Evil Shell: I see that you're trying to bring us together as a community Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Not overseen <G> Grace: let me look back Evil Shell: a council idea is going to divide us Evil Shell: but informal meetings won't, I hope Michael (World Manager): The purpose is to develop community sense, Michael (World Manager): to bring you closer, Grace: didn't think it was a council meeting Yummy: Geezx Shell.. Igive up Evil Shell: no, we're beyond that now <G> Grace: guess I must have typed something wrong LOL Michael (World Manager): we will stop by every once in a while.. Michael (World Manager): won't announce it in advance ... Grace: by the team, I meant WA representatives, that was all. Michael (World Manager): I don Michael (World Manager): er, I don't want people to come just because of me. Dutchess Mary J: shoot brb Evil Shell: and they will.....you know the types <G> Michael (World Manager): Yes, we are such control freaks here at Avaterra <g> Evil Shell: sometimes I"m much too honest for my own good Dutchess Mary J: back sorry Evil Shell: brb a sec Yummy: like me.. I only came because Michael was here Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Yummy <grin> Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: lol Beanie Queen Golden Knight: lol Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Do you have any closing remarks before we leave <grin> Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: not true yummy Betha - Chief Golden Knight: You got us here Michael (World Manager): well, I do consider myself part of the community .... Grace: wonder if she fancies him!! Spiderwoman: I came because CATS RULE Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Please <grin> Michael (World Manager): ... and was that before I became an acolyte.. and before Michael (World Manager): accepted the job offer. Yummy: No.. I think i fancy my hubby sitting next to me here Grace: bet he wishes he hadn't at times!! Michael (World Manager): I'm a bit trapped between the different sides... community and company, Michael (World Manager): community needs and business requirements.. HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: mmmmmm Michael (World Manager): I know what the people want, I know what the company wants - it isn't always compatible. Grace: well you should be able to give lots of input from both sides then Michael!! HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: you are kinda cute.....doing anything later baby......<grin> Beanie Queen Golden Knight: lol Sly StarDust: Okay question Michael Michael (World Manager): yes? Dutchess Mary J: lol awwwwwwwwww........ thats sweet <gag> Grace: At the end of the day, it is a business and you will never please everyone Sly StarDust: Lets say we all discussed an idea in great detail, and sent it to you...would you please answer the e-mail? Evil Shell: back Michael (World Manager): I will always try, yes. Sly StarDust: or Delilah<shrug> Grace: no that could be the biggest problem yet, Michael replying to e-mail Grace: <grin><grin> Dutchess Mary J: Hey Michael I got a question for you Sly StarDust: But if we never hear his side..we will keep talking about the subject Sly StarDust: sending more e-mails to him Michael (World Manager): I'm listening to Abba... I think I'm getting old. Betha - Chief Golden Knight: ROFL ! Evil Shell: ack Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: the gold album? Michael (World Manager): Yes <g> Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Abba never gets old does it ??<eg> Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: oops .......ehehe Evil Shell: du är dumma katten <react> Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: my fav hehehe <system>: There are 8 ghosts. Grace: why does he need to listen to abba when we are all here? Beanie Queen Golden Knight: lol mary Dutchess Mary J: feeling younge have no idea who abba is Sly StarDust: LOL Evil Shell: ja, det du <react> Michael (World Manager): Hey, I have an announcement! Dutchess Mary J: well good lord, they tore the leaves off the house plant Yummy: well.. Im glad that some are willing to try... and I wish everyone luck..... Evil Shell: Abba is a Swedish band from the 70's Grace: announce away<jump><jump> you have the floor Dutchess Mary J: then the wall paper off the walls Evil Shell: which is why I call him a silly cat in Swedish <G> Beanie Queen Golden Knight: go ahead michael Mrsshark Chief Golden Knight: yes michael do<grin> Michael (World Manager): Are you not totally tired of the brown, boring, blah'ish elevator lobby? Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Yes Michael ? Yummy: well.. abba was popular in the US too Dutchess Mary J: yes, I am Evil Shell: oh my Sly StarDust: god it is terrible Michael Spiderwoman: yes Evil Shell: yes, but they are a Swedish band Beanie Queen Golden Knight: oh god yes Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Uh huh <grin> Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: yup it's blah Michael (World Manager): enjoy the last 2-3 days of it. <grin> Evil Shell: I think Michael's trying to tell us sumptin <react> Dutchess Mary J: hmmmmmmm....... someone send me a tape of abba Betha - Chief Golden Knight: WOOOHOOO <grin><jump> Grace: great Spiderwoman: most stuff looks like East germany in the lobby Mrsshark Chief Golden Knight: <jump><jump> YAY Dutchess Mary J: great<jump><jump> Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: wooooooo hoooooooo Evil Shell: thanks Michael <bow><bow> Betha - Chief Golden Knight: YES <grin> Sly StarDust: wooohooo<jump><react><jump><react> Beanie Queen Golden Knight: woooooohoooooo<jump><jump><jump> Michael (World Manager): How would you like ... Michael (World Manager): windows... Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Thank you Michael <grin><bow> Dutchess Mary J: thank you Michael Sly StarDust: YES! Betha - Chief Golden Knight: YES <grin> Michael (World Manager): plants.... Dutchess Mary J: windows too? Beanie Queen Golden Knight: yeah that would be nice Betha - Chief Golden Knight: YES <jump> Michael (World Manager): views .... Sly StarDust: YES! Spiderwoman: yes windows plants Dutchess Mary J: oh my god Spiderwoman: we want it all Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: ohhhhhhhhhh very nice Sly StarDust: Organize those thinsg ont he wall Michael (World Manager): and no clustered walls with event markers <g> Evil Shell: and??? Evil Shell: annnnnnnnnd? Sly StarDust: so they aren;t just hanging there Dutchess Mary J: hmmmmmmmm pinching myself to make sure I am not dreaming Grace: ummmmmmmmmm Sly StarDust: LOL Evil Shell: <crossing fingers> Grace: ummmmmmmmmm. Sly StarDust: Marble<jump> Michael (World Manager): Prolly Sunday ... Sly StarDust: so we all can feel fancy Michael (World Manager): Maybe Monday. Evil Shell: might we also find something missing on a certain corner? <G> Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Very nice Michael <grin> Good sign Sly StarDust: LOL Grace: I don't want to feel fancy and I'm sure she doesn't want to feel me either Michael (World Manager): Oh yeah, and name registry in private elevator. Evil Shell: LOL Sly StarDust: LOL Betha - Chief Golden Knight: I saw that this afternoon <G> Yummy: Michael.. PLEASE... get rid of that sign.. tired of hearing about it Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Someone testing ? <grin> Michael (World Manager): yes, it's there already. Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Okay <grin> Betha - Chief Golden Knight: I thought I was nuts Betha - Chief Golden Knight: It was there then gone <G> Michael (World Manager): OK, will remove the sign when this meeting is over. Beanie Queen Golden Knight: I would just like to say: Michael you cannot always do the best to please everyone, but in my opinion you are doing a great job, keep up the great work..I think little by little DS is coming back together Yummy: Thank you Evil Shell: Michael, THANK YOU <jump><jump><jump><jump><jump><jump><jump> Sly StarDust: LOL Evil Shell: wooooooooooooooooo hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Sly StarDust: <jump><jump><jump> Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: thank you <bow> Michael (World Manager): thank you <grin> Evil Shell: <doing a Darksiders celebratory vampire dance> <G> Sly StarDust: No more trees blockin it Yummy: thank you all for coming... HandsomeDJ - Golden Knight: Thank you for coming in Michael.........<bow> Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Thank you Yummy Michael (World Manager): I will replace it with an animated, flashing Coca Cola ad. Sly StarDust: ROFL! Beanie Queen Golden Knight: Thank you Michael<bow> Dutchess Mary J: lol Betha - Chief Golden Knight: LMAOFFFFFFF Michael <jump><jump><jump><jump> Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: lol Evil Shell: egads <sigh> Beanie Queen Golden Knight: rofl Grace: ack how tacky can you get<sigh> Evil Shell: <stocking up on trees> Michael (World Manager): <g> Sly StarDust: LOL Evil Shell: at least it wasn't a blimp Sly StarDust: Oh god those blimps lil helper: <G> Yummy: have a nice evening all.. and thanks for all the imput Michael (World Manager): I, um, hate the blimps ... they lag the heck out of me. Evil Shell: take care, Yummy Betha - Chief Golden Knight: Night all and thank you again Yummy <grin><wave> Sly StarDust: Me too Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: nite yummy <wave> Yummy: bye bye.... Mrsshark Chief Golden Knight: Thank you Yummy for trying to help our community<grin> Sly StarDust: Bye<wave> Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: thanks Beanie Queen Golden Knight: bye bye all..hugggggggssssss Yummy: see those who need to at 10 wat Michael (World Manager): Bye Beanie Queen Golden Knight: have a great weekend Evil Shell: you too! Beanie Queen Golden Knight: and good luck at the events Evil Shell: sowwy, no way <G> Mrsshark Chief Golden Knight: huggs everyone Spiderwoman: thanks Michael (World Manager): I actually wish we had Coca Cola .. <g> Trevayne Chief Golden Knight: bye all <wave> Sly StarDust: I like coke Dutchess Mary J: me too I wished I had some right now Evil Shell: egads no <g> Michael (World Manager): folks.. I can't meet today, I am late for another meeting <sigh> Michael (World Manager): I'm not even supposed to be here. Evil Shell: thank you, Michael Sly StarDust: I don;t see ya <G> Sly StarDust: Thanks tho Michael Dutchess Mary J: thnx Michael Grace: nice of you to come Sly StarDust: We need your support too Spiderwoman: I really would like to talk to you about games and event Michael Michael (World Manager): No problem... I think meetings like this one really Michael (World Manager): add to the WA experience. Evil Shell: and I have a subject as well, that I emailed you about Evil Shell: absolutely! Michael (World Manager): I mean, bingo and the usual chiy-chat gets boring quickly. Evil Shell: won't take long, I promise <G> Grace: hope so! Evil Shell: to say the least Grace: she means only a couple of hours LOL Michael (World Manager): That was my problem with WA a few years ago .. Sly StarDust: What's your idea Shell? Michael (World Manager): it got shallow ... Evil Shell: yes, very shallow Michael (World Manager): no content ... Evil Shell: well, I think we need advertising Evil Shell: not IW Evil Shell: but to *get* people IW Michael (World Manager): so, that is something I would like to change ... Dutchess Mary J: Oh yeah, Michael thanks for getting ppl back on the streets<grin> Dutchess Mary J: Its nice to talk to ppl again Sly StarDust: This place was a blast 2 years ago Evil Shell: Michael and Delilah were avatars Grace: it stills needs more content Evil Shell: hired by Avaterra Evil Shell: I think that Avaterra should consider hiring avatars Grace: people have to have things in common as well as chat to survive Evil Shell: to work for advertising, searching out places Grace: and things to do. Evil Shell: public relations, the like Evil Shell: yes Sly StarDust: Ahh interesting thought Shell Evil Shell: and I'd like to see something like the vampires/sunrays event Evil Shell: role playing and all Sly StarDust: Oh me too<jump> Michael (World Manager): Host them. Dutchess Mary J: oh yeah, would it be ok if I went to my local high school and advertised DS there? Evil Shell: <shutting up> <G> Evil Shell: yes, good point Michael Michael (World Manager): we are working on some quests .. Evil Shell: I'm going to look into doing it Evil Shell: ooooooooh, good idea Michael (World Manager): approved those yesterday Grace: action speaks louder than words shell! Evil Shell: I don't see why not....to advertise at your school Spiderwoman: lol..so true with most of it Evil Shell: quests could be fun Michael (World Manager): just something "to do". Sly StarDust: I don't understand why you say host them <system>: There are 5 ghosts. Michael (World Manager): me? Sly StarDust: when I can;t even get a bear painted how I wanted<shrug> Michael (World Manager): well Evil Shell: hmmmmmmm? Sly StarDust: for my eventNotes from Meeting at 10pm WAT below... Yummy: Hello Everyone.... and Thank you for Coming... Yummy: FIRST and foremost..I would like to remind everyone here that as of this moment there is no City Council in place. Yummy: Second.. from the discussion the other day and from the information attained from the forum results I think the major objection for the opposing side is the NAME. Yummy: This is easy enough to deal with... and I would hope that the name is not as important as the function. Yummy: The Major function as I see it...would be to be able to have GROUP discussions as a COMMUNITY regarding the needs and wants of Kymer as a whole. Yummy: Right Now...as it stands, you as individuals email Managment with your comments and suggestions. Sometimes getting a result, sometimes not.. Yummy: This Group, shall we call it a Brainstorming Committee, would discuss a topic, Such as Vendo Items, Parking Problems, Newbies, Turfs, etc... and come up with suggestions as a GROUP. Yummy: This Group would then send a accumulative request to management. I can only hope that this would acheive at least two things.. Yummy: First freeing up Management from dealing with 200-300 pieces of Email requests each day and thus giving Management more time to visit with us inworld,and to resolve our needs. Yummy: Second, the discussion its self would generate community sprirt and open discussion. Yummy: How many times have you sent a request to management and NOT received a reply. Yummy: How many times have you wanted to talk with Management about a suggestion and for whatever reason, didnt. Yummy: What I am proposing Now... IS NOT a form of Kymer Goverment. Yummy: It will have no Powers over the citizens in Kymer. It is mearly a way Yummy: for the people to unite, Discuss and Suggest... Yummy: WOOHOO... ok.. that brought out LOTS of comments Yummy: the outcome is as follows.. Yummy: Good Morning... and thank you for coming.... Yummy: Earlier this evening we had the First discussion regarding Yummy: have some kind of committee to get more people Yummy: involved in talking about what they would like to Yummy: see happen in Kymer. <system>: There are 4 ghosts. Yummy: The meeting went quite well..in that the concenses Yummy: seems to be that no Formal committee or Council Yummy: exists..BUT... at this local 2 Fridays a month..WA Managers Yummy: would make a general announcement for all in world to see Yummy: that there will be a discussion group here...The meeting Yummy: times discussed were... 12am and 3pm wat.. if I am not mistaken Yummy: To accomodate both Eurpoean and United States citizens... Yummy: This meeting would have NO leaders.. No Organization of anykind Yummy: Just a place and time for all to come and discuss. Evil Shell: 12:30 pm WAT and 3pm WAT Yummy: At the time of the meeting... people there could decide who, Yummy: if anyone.. would sumbitt the information to management. Bodie: sounds like one of my Condo Commandoes... *~Krysta Too~*: this sounds intriguing Yum.. Yummy: So... now..is your turn... that was the discussion of Yummy: this afternoon... Bodie: May I speak ? Evil Shell: may I add a couple of things? Evil Shell: to what was decided? Yummy: Im sure you will King Mufasa-Golden Knight: please<shrug> Evil Shell: and that means, Yummy? Ms Slick: yeah Evil Shell: you invited me down <s> Bodie: I'll wait Evil Shell: Michael had said Evil Shell: that he doesn't want a government, which Yummy did cover Evil Shell: no leaders, no set agendas Evil Shell: and this concept is to bring us together as a community Evil Shell: not to make reports to management Evil Shell: although that certainly can be done if something comes up <G> Evil Shell: and he may be attending Evil Shell: sans robes Evil Shell: just as plain ole Michael Evil Shell: but the main thing is that it isn't to be a formal reporting type of thing Evil Shell: but rather a discussion group to talk about what's on our minds Evil Shell: kinda like the forum, without posting, live <react> Evil Shell: thank you for allowing me to speak, Yummy <s> Yummy: thank you Shell Yummy: in a nut shell... that is what is before you now Yummy: open for you to discuss Bodie: I wish to speak Yummy: please do Yummy: all of you please do King Mufasa-Golden Knight: and then there was silence Yummy: he is typing.. hehehe King Mufasa-Golden Knight: Bodie<shrug> King Mufasa-Golden Knight: hunt and peck<shrug> Tigress: i think he is filling in all the space he can Bodie: The concept of our world world has been free play among individuals Yummy: as long as it come up... thats ok King Mufasa-Golden Knight: Bodie may be frozen *~Krysta Too~*: lol let him type ...get his two cents worth in Yummy: true *~Krysta Too~*: yes Yummy: it is still that way Bodie: I am relegated to one finger.. Ms Slick: so that means no councel right Yummy Bodie: I will ascede to the chair.. Yummy: but as it was pointed out to us this afternoon... we must also grow as a community King Mufasa-Golden Knight: I still dont see what is the problem is with the world...I came here not knowing, I have made lots of friends...I dont see what is wrong with our world Yummy: correct... Yummy: there is no chair here Yummy: hehehe Ms Slick: dang and i wanted to run for Mayor Yummy: my only point to all these meetings was to get poeple to communicate with each other... *~Krysta Too~*: I think it would be good to get individual requests and suggestions to managers and coming as a group WOULD free up SOME time..<shrug> Yummy: about things in here that affect us all Bodie: May I make this comment? Yummy: yes Ms Slick: yep *~Krysta Too~*: please Yummy: that was my intention also.. to free up Michaels time...BUT... as long as people are talking.. that is all that counts Ms Slick: thats what managers get payed to do *~Krysta Too~*: kinda like a live opinion page? Yummy: yes... but there is no page Bodie: years ago this world was so horrific that friends of mine could not bring their daughters online Terry: really? *~Krysta Too~*: omgosh how so? Bodie: For fear of heavy stuff but now I have seen lately, Terry: that kinda horrific? Bodie: I can interact as an Z Tigress: i have a 7 year old that comes here Ms Slick: well i think they should have a site just for kids Tigress: and i must say that i have to watch what he does Bodie: AVI and there is a place for everyone Tigress: there are alot of kids here like teenagers that there mouth is terrible Yummy: yes... that is what is nice about WA... there is a place for everyone Bodie: I am finished thank you all *~Krysta Too~*: i like this being a family world ...we got citizens in here from ALL age groups Tigress: and i have called ACO's and nothing was done Ms Slick: hey thats in rw also Tigress: i know it is but there are rules here to be followed Tigress: when you sign up *~Krysta Too~*: this is true King Mufasa-Golden Knight: there is rules every where Ms Slick: they here stuff like that in school King Mufasa-Golden Knight: and you know when there are rules there are people that will break them Tigress: if broken there some actions should be taken Ms Slick: you were young once Yummy: well... tonight.. this meeting... is to discuss the possibility of group meetings... King Mufasa-Golden Knight: DS is just like RW, The way they are In here is an indication what they are like in RW *~Krysta Too~*: how often would you havve these meetings? Ms Slick: you so rite king Bodie: I LIKE BEING able to put my box on the street without fear .. *~Krysta Too~*: this is true too King Mufasa-Golden Knight: meetings would be good, but not this late...heheheh Tigress: soo does that mean i don't leave my son come here Yummy: If im not mistaken... 2x's a month... at 12:30pm and 3:00pm management would announce it... but... you can get people together and have one any time *~Krysta Too~*: not many thieves or con artists in here anymore...there were a bunch when i first came on *~Krysta Too~*: that would not be bad.... King Mufasa-Golden Knight: me too *~Krysta Too~*: 2 x a month that is King Mufasa-Golden Knight: I got robbed my third month here <system>: There are 3 ghosts. Terry: aww Bodie: unless you wanna give him up to biker ideas m'lady<grin> King Mufasa-Golden Knight: not as much thefts now Yummy: i remember that King *~Krysta Too~*: Biker Ideas? King Mufasa-Golden Knight: but, cons are still around, just like the RW, it will be hard to stop those Yummy: biker? as in Sturgis Yummy: eheheh *~Krysta Too~*: what are those? Bodie: pleading newby probation... Tigress: i think alot of people are pulling together more so now then when i first came here 2 years ago Ms Slick: i don't understand how some one could rob ya King Mufasa-Golden Knight: are the managers going to work more on DS King Mufasa-Golden Knight: add locales King Mufasa-Golden Knight: make it nicer<shrug> Yummy: from what Michael says... yes... *~Krysta Too~*: just being a silly newbie is how <shrug> Ms Slick: lower the price Bodie: checking the shoelaces.. *~Krysta Too~*: they have done SO much since i got here 6 months ago King Mufasa-Golden Knight: I mean, they put all their eggs into NRW and left us out to dry<shrug> Yummy: Michael did make an announcement this afternoon that pricing will change.... more will come from him at a later date Yummy: and.... Tigress: i agree to that one *~Krysta Too~*: really Mufasa? Yummy: we will see a new lobby in a few days *~Krysta Too~*: i went to NRW...and i like DS better Ms Slick: well one thing NRW has *~Krysta Too~*: WOW kewl Tigress: NRW has alot of things that we don't see here King Mufasa-Golden Knight: what about pricing, lowering it or raising King Mufasa-Golden Knight: right *~Krysta Too~*: this is true... *~Krysta Too~*: opps brb King Mufasa-Golden Knight: I saw a snake over there Yummy: well.. I think we all are hoping lower King Mufasa-Golden Knight: today Yummy: but it was not stated King Mufasa-Golden Knight: and I like the umbrellas Yummy: Yes Shell Evil Shell: Michael did say that we'll see a price change Evil Shell: we don't know what yet tho Ms Slick: that we don't is avdvertisment Terry: guess they feel like they aree competing with other virtual worlds Ms Slick: thar's who they make money Bodie: I am asking myself.. Terry: City$All, EverQuest, Realm, etc King Mufasa-Golden Knight: I dont care if they advertise King Mufasa-Golden Knight: let them Yummy: well.. Bodie... as us Terry: city4all even King Mufasa-Golden Knight: it doesnt bother me<shrug> Yummy: ask us Tigress: don't brother me either Ms Slick: thats what i say Bodie: everyone is whacking on a cheaper price.. Evil Shell: it doesn't fit in with the dream Evil Shell: the mood, the feel of the dreamscape King Mufasa-Golden Knight: another thing...I think they should go to a system wher you get your 600 t's a day automatically, not by being in her or trying to keep your computer on to collect the t's Bodie: I personally am willing to pay knowing thast Terry: it would be interesting to see what advertisers they chose for here Terry: or who chose us King Mufasa-Golden Knight: right, barnes and noble behind us <system>: There are 2 ghosts. King Mufasa-Golden Knight: that is advertising Yummy: well.. all those things.. are also in the minds of others... and Im sure...will be covered when everyone gets together King Mufasa-Golden Knight: does it bother anyone Ms Slick: not me Yummy: Talking to each other was a MAIN goal... Terry: we do seem to have barnes and noble behind us Ms Slick: i shop there any way King Mufasa-Golden Knight: they say we dont talk enough Bodie: those who are also willing to pay are the ones I prefer to count on when I come online! Evil Shell: ya, but they don't do anything here King Mufasa-Golden Knight: I know almost all of you Yummy: and i think the outcome was great Evil Shell: and nobody liked it when it was opened Evil Shell: true, KM King Mufasa-Golden Knight: and I know a ton more King Mufasa-Golden Knight: just because they dont see me on the street Bodie: you want cheap! get the hell out Terry: i've played lots of event bingo here King Mufasa-Golden Knight: doesnt mean I am not talking or doing something King Mufasa-Golden Knight: with someone I know King Mufasa-Golden Knight: I also enjoy decorating my turfs Yummy: Shell... it was decided to use this locale for future discussions... correct... Evil Shell: yes Yummy: i know it was discussed tobe on open streets Yummy: but in the beginning... we will use this locale... Evil Shell: yes, but Michael felt this was best for now Yummy: Sooo... when you see that Broadcast pop up... come on over... Yummy: everyones opinion is welcome and needed Bodie: I was here since 93 and I have heard these OH WOE stories so much so, It drove me away. Evil Shell: 93? Evil Shell: DS began in 95 Yummy: well.. hopefully these will not be woe stores... but progress together King Mufasa-Golden Knight: hehehe Ms Slick: hehe King Mufasa-Golden Knight: opppps King Mufasa-Golden Knight: lol King Mufasa-Golden Knight: Drinking? King Mufasa-Golden Knight: hehehehe Ms Slick: he was here in his dreams King Mufasa-Golden Knight: lol Ms Slick: lol King Mufasa-Golden Knight: his Brainchild Bodie: money .. I'm surrounded by sussescful puter folks and all I hear is money! Ms Slick: roflmao King Mufasa-Golden Knight: Nostradamis Ms Slick: and Yummy: so... is everyone in here in agreement... or is there more you would like to see? Bodie: THANK YOU<bow> King Mufasa-Golden Knight: Beach Tigress: yes a Beach King Mufasa-Golden Knight: this is an island but, we have no beach Terry: with flying fish Ms Slick: i'm just saying Yummy: hehehe.... well... discuss it... heheheh Cherry Pie: had to come down and say Hi to shell..<react> Evil Shell: CP <react> King Mufasa-Golden Knight: and fishing poles Terry: moving fish Bodie: go to the realm King Mufasa-Golden Knight: and fish Evil Shell: hugggggggggs to ya <G> Cherry Pie: how ya be? King Mufasa-Golden Knight: The King loves fish Tigress: realm is not good Yummy: OMG... another Wert.. and fish Cherry Pie: town council AGAIN<grin><grin> King Mufasa-Golden Knight: hehehe Evil Shell: I know <react><react><react> Bodie: that would be better Tigress: i was there and tried it Cherry Pie: didn't we do this one already? Terry: cats like fish Tigress: i can't fight King Mufasa-Golden Knight: I am a fisherman, I love fish Evil Shell: a few times Evil Shell: <G> Bodie: yup Cherry Pie: snicker..<grin><grin> King Mufasa-Golden Knight: trout King Mufasa-Golden Knight: hehehe King Mufasa-Golden Knight: Salmon King Mufasa-Golden Knight: Walleye Evil Shell: fish are disgusting <G> Tigress: i just want some rare heads to come back Cherry Pie: opakaopaka for fish...<react> King Mufasa-Golden Knight: you know, the basics King Mufasa-Golden Knight: lol Ms Slick: if them in NRW and CC can pay 1 year for what we pay a month King Mufasa-Golden Knight: yea, fish heads Tigress: no no Tigress: cowgirl heads Ms Slick: that they should be able to give us Terry: all heads King Mufasa-Golden Knight: Rare Heads will come back Tigress: slowly Ms Slick: some type of break Tigress: very slow Terry: except maybe tut and nefertiti King Mufasa-Golden Knight: they should, I dont know about the other stuff, but heads will, i am sure Yummy: so... unless someone has more to add........... Be Watching for the next discussion at either... 12:30pm or 3:00 pm in 2 weeks Bodie: this meeting is cutting into what I had planned for this morning Terry: ok Cherry Pie: yeah.....would seem like a bit fairer to me...I am in both worlds... Tigress: bag heads Tigress: smiley heads Terry: sleepy here Evil Shell: I"m outta here Terry: nighters Evil Shell: thank you for your kind response to my esp question, Yummy <bow> Ms Slick: go to bed thin Terry: thanks yummy Terry: <bow><bow> Bodie: kiss my fishin trip adios.. Yummy: Thank you all again for coming.. and I hope to see you all at the next one... King Mufasa-Golden Knight: thanks Yummy Tigress: kisssssssssss goodbye fishes Bodie: <grin><grin> Yummy: look for the Broadcast... Ms Slick: thanx yummy Tigress: you get to live another day *~Krysta Too~*: bye fishies Tigress: lol Yummy: and this is the local.... Bodie: hehehehe